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So, before this thing started I was already not getting out much due to personal circumstances I'm dragging from the last 15 years or so. Didn't have much of an alternative, to be honest. I could have maybe fought against them more instead of retreating to into a life of nothingness and "leasing" (entertainment, or whatever you want to call it). Didn't really had anything to do outside and it was a lot of work to prepare to go outside even for the things I had to do. Perhaps this will require an explanation too, in addition to my horror novel thread.

Anyway. Since this totalitarian scam started, I haven't worn a stupid muzzle a single time, but I don't know if I'll be able to keep doing that without very serious consequences, and I need to get some supplies, as I'm already putting it off and making do with what I have left. Next week I will have to go out and try to get food and so on.

For months I didn't have much of a problem. I went everywhere maskless and walked into stores naturally, and only twice had a clerk somewhat politely tell me I should wear one. To which I replied I couldn't because it hampered my breathing. I don't have any diagnosed condition or anything, but it is nonetheless true, not just for me, but for everyone. Also, I'm not in great shape, due to inactivity, and it is true that I start feeling lack of air after a long walk, particularly if I'm carrying things around.

But a little over two months ago, I went to my usual store for about 15 years, and there was this old lady, with her mask and gloves, who showed up around a corridor trying to get in, but walked away after seeing me. Then, when I was walking out from there through the opposite side, I see the same old lady who had walked around the whole thing just to avoid me. Well, she probably complained to some clerk there, because, when I was about to go through the cashier, she told me, rather rudely, that I had to wear a mask, to which I just said "no, I don't", and then she answered "then you can't come here", to which I replied "yes, I can". I don't have a printer, but I have seen many people, lawyers, crafting legal documents you can carry around that you can use to fight this... unfortunately, all of them are in the form of a signed (full name, personal ID number, signature) declaration of why you don't wear a mask and what laws protect your right and what other laws these people infringe when trying to impose it on you. I don't like this formula, I find that it exposes you to them more than offering a protection, and nobody has answered me when I tried to find out whether this unavoidable under Spanish jurisprudence... IN any case, maybe I would have ended up in a better place if I had just let it stay there when the cashier told me she didn't want to hear anymore of it, but I had to explain things to her... and in the end, a bunch of other old and middle-aged women (not a single man in sight) that were there almost try to stone me. So I didn't come back there ever since and moved to another store that's a little futher. Not a big problem, although this town is on a hill and the way back is uphill.

So I changed to this other place and for three incursions all was fine. But last time, 3 weeks ago, as I entered, I saw these two clerks (again, all women) chatting outside the cash registers, and out of good manners I greeted them... boy should I had walked by without opening my mouth... "where's your mask?" said the NEW one. "I don't wear one", I said, and kept walking. After a little while, another clerk finds me and starts questioning me, so I try to explain the situation to her and try to wake her too, and while she understood to a certain extent my point of view, she wouldn't budge, and quoted legal consequences, to which I answered too saying that I can play that game too. In the end, I was told to finish quickly and leave. Just before our conversation ended, I moved a step or two to grab another product from a shelf and I saw she backing off, so I said "oh... you are going to do that too?" "yes? any problem?" and I just shrugged and kept doing my thing.

So, I bought enough for two weeks, which I can carry with my own hands (with increasing difficulty in the last months thanks to all the inactivity). Now it's more than 3 weeks later and I'm scrapping by. No later than next week I'm going to have to go out again or find another way. Frankly I don't want to order stuff and have them bring it to my door.

Back in May I even went to the public notary to sign the sale of that thing and I was the only one there without a mask, and could pass through just alleging masks make me feel bad, but things are getting crazy now, which isn't news for any of you.

But now, they've decided to close the city off, they are deploying military-style policing, there's a curfew from 11pm to 6am, and politicians are talking about forced vaccinations under penalty of up to 600k fines and possibly jail.

So... after my usual long writing: Should I keep resisting the mask, or is it OK to budge just to be able to buy food and other unavoidable procedures? I really want to avoid it and I pray for God's protection every time I go out, but things keep getting worse and worse, as expected. While I have no option to leave (other than becoming homeless and destitute and just living like a bum), how strict should I be about resisting this? Any ideas?

Please, pray for me, that God opens a way and gives me the understanding and courage to take it.

Also, I don't really know how to do it, but I need to go preaching the Gospel to people, and I just don't see how I can even try... Should I try to preach to other people in my building or something? I don't know... this is just insane.

Aside from strategies to avoid unnecessary confrontation with these totalitarians, I need scriptural input, which is as clear as possible, to decide whether I should stand firm against this, no matter what happens, or to comply, and to what degree.

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Well, maybe I'm too paranoid, but I don't really like the idea of giving out my address and name to someone that will pick my food for me. I don't really know what kind of crazy stuff they may be implementing in Spain right now, but I do contemplate the possibility of "the system" trying to hurt me personally, and somehow have a way to flag me for a "customized order"... Whereas, if I pick my groceries off the shelf myself, I only get the same general poison as everyone else.

Also, In Spain there's no tip culture as you guys have in the USA. The employer provides the whole income of the worker, and any tip you leave goes to the company's coffers. As far as I could see, grocery stores handle orders by having one employee gather the items, a different one scans them and gets the bill, and then they have some unrelated guy grab the stuff for delivery. They only do deliveries for big enough orders and it is "free". The point is I don't think there's any conduit to transmit to the person picking my stuff to be nice to me.

Spain, as a traditionally catholic society, is very has a very collectivist mindset.

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I haven't worn a mask yet but my wife has for one specialty grocery store she loves. She cut small air holes around the nose and due to the pattern on the cloth it has gone unnoticed, or at least nobody in that store said anything. Otherwise our main store has not said a word about our not wearing them, praise the Lord. In a much smaller store, Vitamin Shoppe, two men were working in there and one asked me, "Sir, do you have a mask?"

I said, "I don't. I have medical reasons but if it makes you uncomfortable I will leave." Like you, brother Radorn I do not have a documented medical reason but I do believe it is medically bad for me.

He said, "Oh no, we are not uncomfortable it's just we got busted by the board of health. If you call in or order online we will be happy to bring it out to your car. I'm really sorry."

Out of respect for the low-wage working men following orders I said, "It's not your fault. Okay." I walked out and later ordered online. 

With that being said I am in semi-small town Virginia, not Catholic / socialist Spain. I am not in your type of location I don't think I can advise you on masks. You have to make the judgement call, brother. I will keep you in prayer. 



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Check out DIVISE INERRANTIST's comments on this thread, he quotes Scripture for the mask issue:

Ah brother... We have been talking and you already know what I do to my shame. Spain really is awful and insufferable right now. I also went without mask up until mid-September I think, but people got so violent I don't have the morale to keep up fighting with every person I meet on the street or in a shop, it's a lost cause. May the Lord forgive my cowardice and weakness, but I wear the mask below the nose so at least I can breathe and don't damage the temple of the Holy Ghost as much, but that's final: if they still demand me to cover my whole face or if restrictions go any further like forced vaccination they will have to take me to prison, and if they fire me at the job so be it (I've already had a couple warnings and I have written extensive letters to those people who warned me trying to make them understand). I know the Lord will provide and i pray every day for His will to be done and for His guidance.

There is no excuse for what I accepted to do though, I know that. I'm not recommending you do this, but it's what I do to get by for now.

And to everyone, please don't scold me for this, I am already very convicted and conflicted about it already and wish for it to end as soon as possible.

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1 hour ago, ryoji said:

I also went without mask up until mid-September I think, but people got so violent I don't have the morale to keep up fighting with every person I meet on the street or in a shop, it's a lost cause.

Oh, how can an entire world be so stupid and deceived?! Aside from you, the elect, in those places, the majority are Roman Catholics. Whether practicing or atheist they are still some variation of Catholic and are therefore accustomed to being ruled over by the Pope, Kings, rulers of any kind. They love it.

And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free. -John 8:32 

The northeast region of the United States is predominantly Catholic (and secular Jewish in some areas) and they are the most draconian in their mask enforcement. The Catholic governors up there are the worst tyrants. Virginia's isn't much better but that's another story.

My older parents are in one such Catholic hell-hole. They are falling for this whole scam too but not militantly. I don't encourage them to go without masks in stores because I don't want them to encounter devil-possessed people. They assure me they only wear them "in and out" of the store. Never outdoors or in the car.

If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed. -John 8:36

As for my wife and I; we are girded up for battle. The thing is though we are in a place where there are more REAL Americans; i.e. descendants of the pioneers who do not have Rome looming in their soul to enslave them. They may not be all saved but they have some freedom in their hearts. If any of that makes sense.

I would encourage American brethren in here not to give the European brethren a hard time. They are around the worst Catholic servants of hell than many of us are. Have some grace if they need to wear a mask now and then. They don't like it.

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And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God. -Revelation 15:2

So, we know this doesn't directly apply to us because we will be caught up. The principle is very similar. We are having something forced on us in order to buy or sell. We are being threatened with harassment or even fines but not our lives. 

And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them which worshipped his image. -Revelation 16:2

In a stark parallel you can read online about maskers passing out. A Catholic priest in Africa died at his pulpit in a mask. Many maskers are suffering dental problems from them etc. 

If it be so, our God whom we serve is able to deliver us from the burning fiery furnace, and he will deliver us out of thine hand, O king. -Danel 3:17

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On 10/30/2020 at 7:28 PM, TerryF said:

I know it is difficult. I have doubts and fears daily as well but God will keep his promises.Even if those promises include some hardships, keep the faith. Our rewards lay beyond this finite realm.

It makes no sense to give in to the satanic powers that are attempting to rule it with their depopulation and power agendas like this COVID deception. May God bless and protect you in the interim.


Rarely heard folks say "realm," "finite," and "interim." Interesting words - had to look two of them up. (Finite / interim)


" For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind." - 2 Timothy 1:7


" And thy life shall hang in doubt before thee; and thou shalt fear day and night, and shalt have none assurance of thy life:" - Deuteronomy 28:66 KJV 

Thing is -> " And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption." - Ephesians 4:30 KJV

Meaning - If you die, you go to be with The Lord. Even if you die painfully, if saved you get to go home.

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Oh boy, It sure is tough! Everywhere you go now it is mandatory that you wear a mask. My husband has worn one a couple times because he needed to get some supplies. The thing is we have two little boys and need to provide for them. We need to get specific supplements for all of us as we all have some health issues, so we need to go to certain places. He has gotten away with not wearing a mask in a few places, Praise the Lord it is because we know the owners but we have to be careful. Anyways I am praying for you for all the brethren who are facing challenges with getting supplies and what not. May the Lord take care of all of your needs and help you to not worry. 

Philippians 4:19 KJV

But my God shall supply all your need according to his riches in glory by Christ Jesus.

KJV: King James Version

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