An Open Rebuke
 

An Open Rebuke  

Page 2 / 2
  RSS

Matt M
(@mattm)
Trusted Member
Joined: 7 months ago
Posts: 50
June 24, 2019 10:50 am  
Posted by: Marijo Juric

At 1:15:00 Bryan told that something is wrong with his PayPal account. Can I make donations via PayPal ? Is GoFundMe account still active ?

He said in the chat that he can still accept donations, but that he couldn't use paypal to purchase anything.  Won't be much longer till he won't be able to receive donations.  We all need to pray about this as Bryan relies 100% on the brethren for financial support. 


ReplyQuote
Bizzy
(@lizzlebizzle)
Eminent Member
Joined: 11 months ago
Posts: 20
June 24, 2019 11:55 am  

Hi all, I just thought I'd go into a little more detail about the vape thing. Tim briefly covered it in the stream but I thought I'd expand on what really happened when Jeremy's vape got rebuked.

After Jeremy lost his previous job last year and was jobless for a while, relying on the brethren's donations, he finally got hired at a very respectable place. But I found it kind of odd that he didn't directly inform the brethren when he started the job, either, but I didn't say anything. If I'm wrong about that, correct me, and he may have informed people through email who asked, but I don't believe he publicly said anything about doing some extra work on the side of full-time ministry until he posted his video on 03/28/19 called "Work of the Lord." He makes some VERY bold statements within the 6 minute range saying that he works with his hands in the morning, and then comes home, and does work for the Lord. I know his employment situation was something the brethren were praying about and asking him for updates about weekly towards the end of last year, and I felt that they kinda deserved to know when he started working again. 

Everything seemed okay at first but it wasn't long before he was just complaining about it. He has to be up too early. It's difficult labor. He's too tired to put videos out. He has insomnia (but he stared at his screen playing video for hours a day, often, which obviously doesn't help that issue). At one point, and I'm not sure how many of you have a facebook, but when Jeremy appeared to start having his own convictions about his lack video making and energy to do so, he went live on facebook and asked the body of Christ what he should do. I believe he also asked brethren on the regular livestream the same thing at some point after that. He was asking, "should I quit and go back to relying on donations, so I have the energy to do more videos?" "Or, should I stay?" and when we answered, most of us said he should PROBABLY keep is job. Or, at least, find a new one before he quits. And then he didn't like our answers. And I just said to myself, "If you don't like, or want our input, why ask for it?" And I didn't think that it was right for him to ask the body of Christ about that matter. Maybe I'm wrong. But it just seems like a no brainer that if you have a wife to take care of, you probably shouldn't quit your job without having something else lined up.

He ended up keeping the job for a while longer, and then something else happened. His employer gave him a new work uniform, which gave him a really bad rash. And he messaged us saying that he was fed up and quitting. I understand why he was frustrated, but he was already looking for reasons to quit by then. And this is where his vape habit came up. Amy (his wife) messaged me privately saying that she was upset and didn't want him to quit. She asked him if I could ask my husband (Tim) to talk to Jeremy and tell him not to quit before finding something else first. He wasn't listening to her, so she thought he might listen to Tim. If he didn't have a job, her son (his stepson) couldn't come to be with them for the summer. He did that exact same thing to her last summer. This was all just a repeat essentially. She mentioned that she was going to help him apply at a vape shop. My response to that was not very... good. I mean, Tim and I aren't going to tell a man how he should make money to provide for his family. I could never imagine working at a place like that personally but I understand that people do what they have to do in the workforce. But the issue is that Jeremy vapes himself, and we knew that he was twisting scripture to defend it. It's just odd for a Christian who struggles with vape to consider working in a vape environment like that and utilize the discounts and everything. And vape on his breaks just like his lost coworkers. We are not of the world! And I kinda addressed that with Amy. I said "why not a grocery store instead." Or even, CVS. Walmart. We would much rather see him with an employee discount on practical, household items. And she said that a grocery store wouldn't pay enough. (I didn't say this to her, but I just thought, "Ok, so pick a grocery store where he might be able to work FULL-time." Part time vape shop versus full-time grocery store team member? I'd take the grocery job. Just me, I guess.) Then, I pretty flatly told Amy that we wouldn't be able to support him getting a job at a vape shop because we stand very firm on vape being sinful. And Amy replied to me saying that she doesn't get what's so wrong with it. She said "Sin is a transgression of the law not sure where vaping is in there." I said in response to that that "cocaine" isn't spelled out in the bible. Neither is smoking marijuana. Not everything needs to be spelled out in scripture. ALL unrighteousness is sin (1 John 5:17). Paul said he wouldn't be brought under the power of any (1 Cor 6:12). I get that vape may not be "mind altering," but come on. AFTER breaking fellowship with them, I found out that Amy actually vapes too, which I didn't know before. We also were informed that Jeremy told JT that he has a struggle with vaping, but, when Tim or I mentioned it, he just makes excuses for why it's okay. So he's clearly not sincere about his conviction about it.

By that point, Jake, Tim and I were noticing his video game habits and that he really needed to stop playing so much and hold himself more accountable to the Lord. Things seemed to spiral downward after that conversation with Amy, and when Jake messaged us to discuss issues with Jeremy, we found out he was calling us self-righteous, etc., as well as every other nasty thing covered in the livestream. So, we asked Bryan for his advice because we had a feeling that Jeremy's pride was going to overtake him once he got whiff of us wanting to schedule a meeting. And we knew that this was going to affect everyone and probably blow up this way. So, thank you, brethren, for just believing our testimonies about this and trusting and allowing the Holy Spirit to bear witness. I learned a lot from being in this situation, myself, and my faith has certainly grown stronger through this. Looking forward to that blessed hope and no more of me failing God all the time. Praise the Lord for his mercy and His death on the cross in my place.

This post was modified 2 weeks ago by Bizzy

Jeff Allen
(@jeffnb)
Member Moderator
Joined: 11 months ago
Posts: 198
June 24, 2019 1:20 pm  

Thanks for sharing sister Bizzy. A verse just came to mind we all know it.  

1Ti 6:10
For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows. 


ReplyQuote
Joshua S
(@jsheets)
Estimable Member
Joined: 11 months ago
Posts: 178
June 24, 2019 1:36 pm  

Romans 8:28


ReplyQuote
Justin KJV
(@savedbygrace17)
Estimable Member
Joined: 8 months ago
Posts: 133
June 24, 2019 2:37 pm  

Wow, Amy to? :'(

I just still wasn't expecting Jeremy to venture off to the enemies of the gospel...

I still can't go as far as calling Jeremy lost or a false convert though, only because of his testimony checks out with scripture and with other brethren. It's obvious though that he is way out of fellowship with God. It led to a pride issue that wasn't dealt with and now that's leading him to mock and scoff at brethren who are only trying to correct him. Romans 8:28 brothers, sisters.


Bizzy and Joshua S liked
ReplyQuote
Christine
(@wolf)
Member Moderator
Joined: 11 months ago
Posts: 298
June 25, 2019 12:56 am  

This situation has been sad to witness.

We cannot depend on anything or anyone else, except for God and His word.  We cannot control the behaviour of other people, only our own spiritual walk.

This has served as a reminder to me to ensure I remain in God's word and prayer.  I pray that we all stay close to the Lord.

 

Proverb 16:18 - Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall.

 

Matthew 26:41 - Watch and pray, that ye enter not into temptation: the spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak.

 

Psalm 119:11 - Thy word have I hid in mine heart, that I might not sin against thee.


ReplyQuote
Alexander Brent Hartley
(@ahartley)
Reputable Member
Joined: 11 months ago
Posts: 384
June 25, 2019 3:11 am  

People can fake a testimony with enough knowledge. I'm from Missouri, show me. Pure "D" grade "A" born and bread Missouri mule, I've gotta see something. I have a relative that saw themselves in him as they were when they were LOST. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong, Lord correct me. I don't believe I am. I don't know that I'm willing to take that chance. IF I'm wrong it would be a very good thing but if I'm not, then what? A goat in among the sheep? a wolf? Why turn to the enemies of Christ, unless they're of the same spirit? Remove all the excuses and you'll know the truth. Blessings to all.


ReplyQuote
nickbosarge
(@nickbosarge)
Eminent Member
Joined: 4 months ago
Posts: 20
June 25, 2019 8:52 am  

It was really sad to hear all this, but it just goes to show that prophecy in scripture and all of God's word will forever ring true. Just as Paul stated, "perils of false brethren..." and since Amy is on his/their side along with Jeremy, it shows that her heart is in the same place. It's hard to truly know someone's truly saved unless you've witnessed their change in lifestyle, behavior... Christianity isn't something a person can fake forever. Just remember brethren, Jesus is a just judge and he will have final say in the end. That's why scripture clearly tells us to build on the right foundation. If your foundation is the Lord Jesus Christ, you will weather the storms ahead. The way Peter handled Pauls rebuke is the way we should all handle rebuke. It is an act of love. 


ReplyQuote
Matt M
(@mattm)
Trusted Member
Joined: 7 months ago
Posts: 50
June 25, 2019 10:07 am  
Posted by: nickbosarge

It was really sad to hear all this, but it just goes to show that prophecy in scripture and all of God's word will forever ring true. Just as Paul stated, "perils of false brethren..." and since Amy is on his/their side along with Jeremy, it shows that her heart is in the same place. It's hard to truly know someone's truly saved unless you've witnessed their change in lifestyle, behavior... Christianity isn't something a person can fake forever. Just remember brethren, Jesus is a just judge and he will have final say in the end. That's why scripture clearly tells us to build on the right foundation. If your foundation is the Lord Jesus Christ, you will weather the storms ahead. The way Peter handled Pauls rebuke is the way we should all handle rebuke. It is an act of love. 

Well said.  A verse that comes to mind is "Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new." 2 Cor 5.17  This verse is very conditional with "IF"

Every once in a while I get nervous and ask the Lord "Am I really saved?  Please save me if I'm not saved."  But the proof I need that the Lord saved myself is in my changed life and my attitude towards sin.  I'm not even close to being the same person I used to be.  I'm disgusted and feel shameful of my old life of video games, movies, TV, secular music, medical marijuana and various prescription pain pills.  A changed life is something that you just cannot fake.  When I was a false convert, I tried to clean up my life on my own strength and never got anywhere as I was self righteous and prideful.  Once I got down on my knees and begged the Lord to forgive me, a rotten sinner that deserves hell, the holy Spirit came in and helped me clean up my life.  I've been praying quite often for Jeremy over the last 3-4 months as I've always known he was very worldly and the pride was so evident.  I know we all struggle with the flesh and its an ongoing battle, but what I saw with Jeremy is that he would twist scriptures to justify his sins.  I pray that he will humble himself and repent.  Its something that every Bible believing christian must do.  We all make mistakes, we all get deceived but the Spirit of Truth will reveal truth if we ask the Lord for help.


ReplyQuote
Steve
(@spah-ky)
Trusted Member
Joined: 10 months ago
Posts: 78
June 27, 2019 8:35 am  

“If he didn't have a job, her son (his stepson) couldn't come to be with them for the summer. He did that exact same thing to her last summer. He didn't have a job, so they couldn't have him there, so this was all just a repeat essentially.“

Hmm. Having married into an instant family, this jumped out at me. What are the issues here?

Speaking from experience, being a stepfather is a no-win situation. And, being honest, I would not repeat it. Step children and their adult antics have done irreparable harm to our marriage. I found out where I REALLY stand. 

So, I’d like to hear his take on this little glossed over statement before making any judgement. 

Yes. I saw the video. Get a job. People who can’t keep their own house in order have no business in full time paid ministry. The case for rebuke looks clear.

That said, I would like to have a discussion about blended families some day (in a phone booth with all the people who think they are a great idea). Why? This stuff that goes on behind closed doors has effects in all facets of a person’s life. Trying to protect our own biological children from the lifestyles of the older stepchildren, I was threatened with arrest. It would have ended my career. No worries. The lying feminists have a solution for that. I would just become an ATM remotely. That is, live out of my car to support my children, while the satanic influences remain in the house with my children.

No. That didn’t ultimately happen. I found a different way to evict the cancer. But, how can I ever trust someone (my wife) again who threatened to do me dirty? So this is the marriage I am stuck in, at least until my youngest is grown. 

He spends too much time playing video games. I have spent excessive time on my motorcycle because I did not want to come home.  Yes. Your rebuke is valid. But, I would be curious to know if there is something else going on. I’m living with a form of this now. And most of us suffer in silence. 

I could be way off. If I am, I am sorry. Just trying to shed light on something that most people just gloss over.

 

 

This post was modified 3 weeks ago by Steve

ReplyQuote
Timothy
(@avbiblethumper)
New Member
Joined: 9 months ago
Posts: 1
June 28, 2019 11:57 am  

Hi Steve,

 

The point is that Amy and Jeremy were trying to get custody of Amys son. They couldnt so theres joint custody and Trent couldnt come up to spend the summer with them last summer and it was about to happen again this summer because he couldnt keep a job. Amy asked me to speak to him and encourage him to keep his job because Amy wanted to see her son.


Robert Gilbert, Steve, Spencer Beebe and 1 people liked
ReplyQuote
Steve
(@spah-ky)
Trusted Member
Joined: 10 months ago
Posts: 78
June 28, 2019 6:42 pm  

Understood. 

I am sorry. Their situation and mine are different. 


ReplyQuote
Page 2 / 2
Share:
  
Working

Please Login or Register