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Fred N
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May 17, 2019 1:02 pm  

 

Okay after taking time to pray on what to do about what I know to be truth based on Gods word, He clearly won’t give me peace until I do something!Now let me make this clear this is a observation/warning for Brethren not judgement by me anyway, as I have been guilty as well. 

This website is going the way of the Dodo bird same as the Patreon page did, why? Because it’s the same set-up! Actually it was doomed before it was started if not policed properly by the word of God(weak moderating) when I say weak moderating I mean not consistent, I've seen certain posts and people that made the posts that clearly should have been dealt with decisively and quickly and weren't and I believe still haven't. 

I believe the intent was to have a place for the body of Christ to fellowship and support brother Bryans Ministry, which is a wonderful intent! But there is a problem that needs to be addressed!

2 Corinthians 6:14-17  Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?

And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?

And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you.

This current structuring of this website is allowing the the believers to mix with and be influenced by unbelievers which goes against the word of God. A brother made a comment once against having people show their face or put their real name to their profile is wrong stating that maybe we the saved will influence them and they might get saved. Wrong, you couldn’t be more wrong according to 2 Corinthians 6:14-17 We don’t fellowship with them in their state of rejecting the Gospel, we give them the Gospel and bid them good day!

This website is like unto a church building system, where the unsaved are given confidence in their unbelief and rejection of Christ. This happens do to the fact that True Saints are calling unbelievers brother or sister when in reality all your doing is keeping them comfortably in their rejection of Christ.

I ask myself this question why in 8 months have I never seen brother Bryan come here and fellowship with the brethren? Too busy for other brethren? I have answered my own question but I could be wrong but I doubt it, is it possible he's uncomfortable with whom he might be mixing with, as am I .

I know some of the brethren on this site just by their consistency of all things in the Lord! But I also know there are unsaved souls on here influencing brothers and sisters and it's being done ever so subtly , which makes it hard to pinpoint! Some do it in ignorance and some with ill intent!

Although there are some obvious differences between the church building system and this website, there are definite similarities. I speak against the system of church buildings that keep the unsaved in bondage to their sin, so I’ve been feeling like a hypocrite lately and rightly so!     

 

Love in Christ! to my brothers and sisters

Brother Fred!

 

 


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Roxanne
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May 17, 2019 1:20 pm  

Hello Fred;

When I joined this website approximately 9 months ago, I was going through some convictions also about being on here and being online altogether.  I wrote Bryan about it and explained to him that I would be taking a break from online activities of this website and his YouTube videos.  I went on to explain in great detail why it was necessary for me to do so.  He completely understood. I will say that it was a nice break and was needful. While I still support Bryan's ministry and all that he is accomplishing and I will continue to do so, I still find myself hesitant about spending too much time online. However, in the wake of my absence from on here, I have been unaware of what all has been taking place on the website.  I appreciate the insight that you have supplied as I was kind of questioning a forum post that I clicked on recently and read briefly on the exchange that was taking place within it. 

I will continue to keep Bryan's ministry efforts in my prayers.


Karil Wade
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May 17, 2019 2:58 pm  

AMEN, brother fred!

yes, brother fred! you have stated the conviction the Holy Spirit has put on me also! thank you, brother fred! we are so close to being caught up that the drawing near to our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ is so very strong now! find myself turning to him alone and not so much the fellowship of brethren! as if we are all to focus on him alone, putting this worldly battle aside! sudden loud noises make me jump and think the catching away is here! praise the Lord! all glory to God through Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour! 

and as you stated, brother fred, this website is not as intended, for the brethren alone! praying for peace about it!

 

a possible step to take is to have "what we believe" the focal point of this website! no doubt about what you will encounter on this site and how you will be asked to leave if not so inclined in like beliefs! praying always for the body of Christ!

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Jeff Allen
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May 17, 2019 3:35 pm  

Amen!

Have to say I raised this issue long ago about personal accountability using a real name on here which was scoffed at and rejected Fine! Have to say even recently pointing out that there is a fellow here calling Jesus accursed nothing done he still posting silly questions not booted out ridiculous "It's like the level of discernment in some is zero. 1Ti 6:4 He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings. Ultimately brother Fred your right if the care and concern is not going to be taken serious enough without more consistency this site will go down the tubes! I know brother Landua used to be good at moderating but with his own personal issues and work he hasn't the time anymore. My only concern is if it goes this way the real brethren will have even less fellowship then what little we have now. Pray things will get fixed up it would be a shame if the Devil destroyed this site. Finally your right Fred if we anit doing what the word SAYS and applying into to here what's the point it's just like a lost world church social club.  

Pro 22:10 Cast out the scorner, and contention shall go out; yea, strife and reproach shall cease.

Pro 15:10 Correction is grievous unto him that forsaketh the way: and he that hateth reproof shall die.

1Co 12:3
Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost. 

 


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Jeff Allen
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May 17, 2019 6:08 pm  

Have to say this The Lord just put it on my heart to share that is are you willing to Labour on here for the Lord? are you willing to offer correction when it's needed? are you going to rebuke when it's needed? or are you just going to mummer and complain after the fact when the enemies have come in and sown discord and  the damage is done. Really! Despite a lot of false brethren unawares there are new brethren here that need some instruction whether it be by seasoned brethren such as yourself or Bryans videos don't let the Devil take that away! 1Ti 5:17 

Pslam 137 1, ¶ By the rivers of Babylon, there we sat down, yea, we wept, when we remembered Zion.
2, We hanged our harps upon the willows in the midst thereof.
3, For there they that carried us away captive required of us a song; and they that wasted us required of us mirth, saying, Sing us one of the songs of Zion.
4, How shall we sing the LORD'S song in a strange land? 

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Christine
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May 17, 2019 8:01 pm  

Adam, the brother that made this website, volunteered his time in order to create it and moderators have volunteered their time also.  As users we pay nothing to access it.  If you have specific concerns, feel free to reach out to the moderators via private message.

I have greatly enjoyed the fellowship that I have had with the brethren from here.  Prior to this website I had never talked to another real believer and I treasure the interactions that I've had with them.  Personally, I'm going to focus on the good fruit that I've experienced and feel thankful to the Lord for it.  In this wicked world, we have to appreciate the little slivers of good.

But, that's just my opinion, as the only female moderator.  😀   I would appreciate hearing the other moderators/admin. thoughts?

To my brethren in Canada, I hope you enjoy the long weekend!  🙂 

 


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Michael A Daruna
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May 17, 2019 11:44 pm  

I may be moderator but i have no power, or because I'm on a cell phone (not making excuses) I didn't know how to do things. 

I agree with Fred infinitely percent...sorry I can't figure better wording.

I've read to much garbage from users calling themselves brethern and noting happens. I'm ruthless so I try to stay in my corner (when I say ruthless I mean not tolerating blasphemy/heresies) because the last thing I want is to get chastised.

I agree with sister Christine about finally having true fellowship. But we need to live according to the word: king James Bible is our path; without it who are we?

I have no problem rebuking whoever falls out of line... As i rebuke myself everyday.

 

We're in a war, and we're to love the enemy, but not partake with them nor fellowship with them. 

If we are honest, the elders need to step up! If we don't we see no different then the world; not to mention being disobedient which I never ever want to be.

 

I feel as I'm trying to start problems when i get heated because of certain things being said, praise the LORD I'm not the only one!


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Fred N
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May 18, 2019 1:24 am  

Brother Michael I read your post and saw that you were frustrated about being on your cell and were limited to what you could do, I also have seen you rightly confront a few bad spirits on here! I've seen the moderators give of their time and do what they can.  This is not me judging brothers and sisters, its me judging me and my part. I was all set to just quietly fade away but I can't get it out of my head, so I had to come to the site today and make the post and share!

Praise the Lord!for your understanding

Love in Christ, brother Fred

  

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Christine
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May 18, 2019 8:29 am  

Brother Fred, I'm sure you can understand that I'm going to approach things differently as a sister.  IE - I leave bold rebuking to the brothers.

It seems to me that some of the moderators may be busy attending to family matters, so please, let's pray for them.


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Michael A Daruna
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May 18, 2019 8:30 am  

I totally understand, I was just venting also. We all need it.

 


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KJV_Vancouver
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May 18, 2019 1:37 pm  

I can delete or move posts, but not ban users, please link any posts/threads you feel should just be deleted entirely; here or by messaging me.

Sometimes I don't delete because of the great responses, but it is probably best just to delete problematic threads to avoid confusion and vexation.

I try to take it easy on people because of how messed up it is out there, so easy to be mislead on something, but certain individuals have shown a pattern of not accepting (or even considering) rebuke from multiple brethren, which should have been dealt with more decisively.

I still feel it is good to respond to sincere questions and misunderstandings, how do you want that to be handled?

Responded to and deleted / moved, or just deleted right away?

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Fred N
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May 18, 2019 1:46 pm  
Posted by: Jeff Allen

Have to say this The Lord just put it on my heart to share that is are you willing to Labour on here for the Lord? are you willing to offer correction when it's needed? are you going to rebuke when it's needed? or are you just going to mummer and complain after the fact when the enemies have come in and sown discord and  the damage is done. Really! Despite a lot of false brethren unawares there are new brethren here that need some instruction whether it be by seasoned brethren such as yourself or Bryans videos don't let the Devil take that away! 1Ti 5:17 

Pslam 137 1, ¶ By the rivers of Babylon, there we sat down, yea, we wept, when we remembered Zion.
2, We hanged our harps upon the willows in the midst thereof.
3, For there they that carried us away captive required of us a song; and they that wasted us required of us mirth, saying, Sing us one of the songs of Zion.
4, How shall we sing the LORD'S song in a strange land? 

Okay brother Jeff you asked 4 questions of me so I am going to answer the first one and that will bring clarity to the other 3. You asked me " are you willing to Labour on here for the Lord? "  The short answer is No! Why? If I compromise on the word of God, my labour will be in vain, wood hay and stubble!!! Is it Gods will that we go against His word to suit ourselves 

Matthew 4:3-4 And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread.But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God. 

Correct me if I'm wrong the verse doesn't says "Man shall live by substituting my word for his own will and live how he chooses "  

Now unless you can guarantee, there are no unbeleivers and unrighteous on here, then I would say all is good we won't be guilty of ignoring 2 Corinthians 6:14-17 

Otherwise I for one want some rewards and I'm sure you do as well! As I said in my original post this is an observation/warning! 

love in Christ brother Fred

 


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Jeff Allen
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May 18, 2019 6:35 pm  

In regards to potentially fellowshipping with the unbelievers well there's no guarantee of that Fred for the most part judging by who is on here I would say about 90% folks on here are real brethren and when it becomes apparent we have a heretic in are midst they should be given the boot clearly don't disagree there are (at least 3 right now) can think of that should go; That said we can't just shut up and stop fellowshipping even are beloved apostle Paul dealt with the same troubles "2Co 11:26"  yes there are sneaky ones refer again to Gal 2:4 so what does that mean we just stop everything and give up? Nay 2Co 4:3
But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost. Acts 20:20 And how I kept back nothing that was profitable unto you, but have shewed you, and have taught you publickly, and from house to house. Back to main point Titus 3:10 A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject. Absolutely if it is discovered that I'm fellowshipping with someone on here who is an enemy of the cross of Christ I reject and warn others he/she is not one of use examples that woman Joy, Denise etc. May view is The Devil would love to break up this fellowship should we allow that?

Also to note 'yes' this site is here to and help support Brother Bryans... what Ministry! I believe it's important to fellowship with the brethren but more importantly also be a witness to the lost and if lost heretic refuses correction and stirs up strife get OUT! Mat 5:14 Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid

Mat 12:33
Either make the tree good, and his fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by his fruit.

1Jo 4:3
And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. 

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Christine
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May 18, 2019 8:05 pm  

Galatians 5:22 - 23

But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,

Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

 

Matthew 5:16  Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.

 

Ephesians 5:16  Redeeming the time, because the days are evil.

 

James 4:14  Whereas ye know not what shall be on the morrow. For what is your life? It is even a vapour, that appeareth for a little time, and then vanisheth away.

 

Life is short, brethren.  We are but a vapour...  Let us not live in fear of unbelievers.  They are all around us in our daily life and they are sorely in need of salvation.  Trouble-makers can be removed from here, quite easily, if needed.

 

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Adam Moore
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May 28, 2019 2:01 pm  
Posted by: Fred N

 

Okay after taking time to pray on what to do about what I know to be truth based on Gods word, He clearly won’t give me peace until I do something!Now let me make this clear this is a observation/warning for Brethren not judgement by me anyway, as I have been guilty as well. 

I don't think there is anything wrong with fellowships between believers see https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Bible-Verses-About-Fellowship/ , what exactly are you saying we are guilty of?

 

This website is going the way of the Dodo bird same as the Patreon page did, why? Because it’s the same set-up! Actually it was doomed before it was started if not policed properly by the word of God(weak moderating) when I say weak moderating I mean not consistent, I've seen certain posts and people that made the posts that clearly should have been dealt with decisively and quickly and weren't and I believe still haven't. 

I believe the intent was to have a place for the body of Christ to fellowship and support brother Bryans Ministry, which is a wonderful intent! But there is a problem that needs to be addressed!

I think everyone agrees there are some problems to be addressed. Most of my time is consumed on the backend of things. I don't have the time to read every post (It took me more than a week to read this one) nor do I have the scriptural knowledge to spot every problem that might arise.

 

We need more trusted moderators to handle these things, we only have four right now, and their time and ability are limited as well. Would you be willing to help moderate? What would you suggest we do?

 

Would you(or anyone willing to help out) be willing to write some guidelines for the members to follow? That way, there would be clear lines to follow, and moderators could deal with these issues quickly.

Bryan's "What We Believe" Sums up everything pretty well.

 

2 Corinthians 6:14-17  Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?

And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?

And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you.

We aren't unequally yoked here. We can kick the nonbelievers out, and they have no control over us.

 

This current structuring of this website is allowing the the believers to mix with and be influenced by unbelievers which goes against the word of God.

Bryan and I discussed this in the beginning, and we couldn't figure out a good way to vet true believers with a closed membership system.

For example, having not known any of you before, how would we have vetted you in the first place?

I think almost everyone here is 100% for some sort of closed system with only true believers being registered. What structure would you suggest that allows for this?

If you have a viable system, we would be happy to implement it here.

 

A brother made a comment once against having people show their face or put their real name to their profile is wrong stating that maybe we the saved will influence them and they might get saved. Wrong, you couldn’t be more wrong according to 2 Corinthians 6:14-17 We don’t fellowship with them in their state of rejecting the Gospel, we give them the Gospel and bid them good day!

We've kicked off non belivers before, but again that follows into the how do you vet non believers questions above.

 

This website is like unto a church building system, where the unsaved are given confidence in their unbelief and rejection of Christ. This happens do to the fact that True Saints are calling unbelievers brother or sister when in reality all your doing is keeping them comfortably in their rejection of Christ.

Who here is unsaved, registered, and being given confidence in their unbelief and rejection of Christ while we call them brother or sister?

 

I ask myself this question why in 8 months have I never seen brother Bryan come here and fellowship with the brethren? Too busy for other brethren? I have answered my own question but I could be wrong but I doubt it, is it possible he's uncomfortable with whom he might be mixing with, as am I .

I'm honestly not sure why Bryan doesn't interact on here. I've suggested he stop by and say hi a few times but I don't know anything beyond that. I think everyone here is a little disappointed but I'm blessed to be able to interact with the people I do.

Bryan is a preacher on the largest secular platform on the internet, preaching directly to nonbelievers sometimes. I don't think a few registered unbelievers are the reason.

 

I know some of the brethren on this site just by their consistency of all things in the Lord! But I also know there are unsaved souls on here influencing brothers and sisters and it's being done ever so subtly , which makes it hard to pinpoint! Some do it in ignorance and some with ill intent!

Again, how do you tell a real believer from an unbeliever that is lying and vet them in mass before you can even see their interactions between other people? What do you suggest we do to avoid the unsaved with ill intent?

 

Although there are some obvious differences between the church building system and this website, there are definite similarities. I speak against the system of church buildings that keep the unsaved in bondage to their sin, so I’ve been feeling like a hypocrite lately and rightly so!     

 

Love in Christ! to my brothers and sisters

Brother Fred!

I see some of the same similarities, but I don't think this website is a system to keep the unsaved in bondage to their sin.

The whole goal is for true believers to be able to come together and fellowship in the name of the Lord as per scripture.

 

With all that said, I'm open to any suggestions.
 
What could be done differently?

How do you vet people to keep the unbelievers/trolls out?

Who should/wants be a moderator?

What should the rules for posting be?

What should the criteria be for banning members?

Anything else?

 


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