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Will & Tricia
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March 14, 2019 8:22 pm  

 

CHALLENGE

 

Rebuke me without posting Bryan's videos and not cherry picking and using bible verses out of context.

 

Colossians
Chapter 3

 

1 If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.

2 Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth.

3 For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.

4 When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory.

5 Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry:

6 For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience:

7 In the which ye also walked some time, when ye lived in them.

8 But now ye also put off all these; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy communication out of your mouth.

9 Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds;

10 And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:

 

 

1 Corinthians
Chapter 6

Nay, ye do wrong, and defraud, and that your brethren.

9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

 

 

Galatians
Chapter 5

 

19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,

20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,

21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

 

Acts
Chapter 18

3_And because he was of the same craft, he abode with them, and wrought: for by their occupation they were tentmakers.

4 And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks.

5 And when Silas and Timotheus were come from Macedonia, Paul was pressed in the spirit, and testified to the Jews thatJesus was Christ.

 

Did you notice something interesting...  all the 10 commandments were listed above.  The Apostles were teaching the early Christians that they are still under the law.

 

 

 

If we are not, what law are we under?

The only thing left is...

 

 

 

"Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law."    

 

 🤬  Aleister Crowley 🤬 

 

 

 

 

 

 


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Karil Wade
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March 14, 2019 11:21 pm  

your challenge restrictions leave no room for instruction. pray for understanding through the Holy Spirit with these strong meat revelations! Hebrews 5: 13-14 (kjv) praise the Lord and his precious word!


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Andrew Burns
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March 15, 2019 2:43 am  

For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth. - Romans 10:4 

For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost. - Romans 14:17

Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified. - Galatians 2:16

 

There are numerous others, but I don't think I need to put them .

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Fred N
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March 15, 2019 9:03 am  

Amen brother Andrew that should be enough!


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March 15, 2019 9:11 am  

Hebrews 8:10

 
 

“For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:”

 

 

Commandtment #1 - Matthew 4:10

 

“Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.

 

 

Commandment #2 - 1 John 5:21

 

“Little children, keep yourselves from idols. Amen.”

 

 

Acts 17:29

 

“Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device.”

 

 

Commandment #3 - 1 Timothy 6:1

 

“Let as many servants as are under the yoke count their own masters worthy of all honour, that the name of God and his doctrine be not blasphemed.”

 

 

Hebrews 4:4 - 4:9

Now viewing scripture range from the book of Hebrews chapter 4:4 through chapter 4:9...

 

 

Commandment #4 - Hebrews Chapter 4

 

4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh [day] on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.

5 And in this [place] again, If they shall enter into my rest.

6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:

7 Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.

8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.

9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.

*  The word "rest" in verse 9 was "sabbitismo" = A keeping of the Sabbath, in Strongs #4520.

 

 

Commandment #5 - Matthew 19:19

 

Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

 

 

Commandment #6 - Romans 13:9

 

“For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.”

 

 

Commandment #7 - Matthew 19:18

 

“He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,

 

 

Commandment #8 - Romans 13:9

 

“For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.”

 

 

Commandment # 9 - Romans 13:9

 

“For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.”

 

 

Commandment #10 - Romans 7:7

 

“What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.”

 

 

 

 

Matthew 5:18

 

"For verily I say onto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled."

 

 

 

Jesus is saying, NOT a speck of His Law will pass away till heaven and earth pass and all is fulfilled.

Has all the bible prophesies been fulfilled?  

No.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Will & Tricia
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March 15, 2019 9:30 am  

Cannot think of one verse, Karil?

Bryan's words are not yours.  The challange is that you rebuke me, not Bryan.  Although, Bryan is free to comment himself.

I am open for debate.  Are you?

A fair debate is alway using facts, or in this case, bible verses in context.  An invaild responce is using a verse out of context.

This is a fair challenge.


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March 15, 2019 9:32 am  

Keeping the commandments is NOT works.  It is following God's laws, which he commanded.  So did Jesus, so did the Apostles, so did the early church.  The modern church has deceived you into beleiving that Not stealing, lying, not commiting adultry, etc. is impossible.  It is not.

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March 15, 2019 10:25 am  

@willandtricia What is your point in all this?  Let me ask you, can you keep and uphold the law perfectly as Jesus did, are you sinless because your able to keep Gods Commandments? Exactly what is your point in relation to the body of Christ and the law?

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Fred N
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March 15, 2019 10:43 am  
Posted by: Karil Wade

your challenge restrictions leave no room for instruction. pray for understanding through the Holy Spirit with these strong meat revelations! Hebrews 5: 13-14 (kjv) praise the Lord and his precious word!

Amen sister Karil!  

Galations 5:18  But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

 

 


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Will & Tricia
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March 15, 2019 12:00 pm  

Romans 10:4

 

“For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.”

 

You forgot the next verse in this, Brother;

 

Romans 10:5

 

“For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them.”

 

Romans 10:4-5 is saying that, we don't keep God's 10 comandments to become saved, we keep them because we are saved.  Romans 10:5 clearly states, "For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them. "  We shall live by them...  meaning we shall live by the law.  Not throw it out.

 

 

Romans 14:17

 

“For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.”

 

In what context are you using this verse to debate the law?  Explain.  

Paul is clearly speaking of clean and unclean behaviour including in how Christians treat eachother.  How do relate this as proof we are not under the law?

 

Galatians 2:16

 

“Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.”

 

Again, this verse is stating that keeping the 10 commandments is NOT what makes us saved.  Beleiving that Jesus is the son of God who died for our sins and was resurrected on the third day, is what saves us....  our faith in Jesus Christ saves us.   The 10 commandments are the laws we follow because we are saved, because they are God's laws.  God gave all people these laws to live by because they are moral, right and just.  Not show us we are sinners and then to go on to live in sin.  We are not to sin, repent, sin again, repent and sin.  

 

 

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Colossians 2:14

 

“Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;”

 

Let's look at this in more context;

 

Colossians Chapter 2

 

14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

15 [And] having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.

16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath [days]:

17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body [is] of Christ.

 

Let's look at verse 2 here, the word, ordinance, not commandment.  Ordinance that were added by Moses to prepare the peole for the coming Messsiah were nailed to the cross, not the commandments.  Example, of ordinances that were nailed to the cross were the "meat and drink" offerings.  When the Messaih comes aand fulfills certan parts of God's prophecy that thoes ordinances would be gone...  the Passover.  The Passover would not have to be followed after the coming of Jesus Christ, just as John the Baptaist stated in John 1:29 and Paul in 1 Corinthians 5:7.

 

John 1:29

 

“The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.”

 

1 Corinthians 5:7

 

“Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:”

 

Now, since "Christ the lamb" was sacrificed on the cross there is no need to celebrate ordinance of the Passover, it was "nailed to the cross". The Passover Feast that pointed toward the coming of God's Lamb who would take "away the sin of the world!" It was fullfilled by Jesus dying on the cross.

 

 

 

 

 

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Will & Tricia
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March 15, 2019 12:04 pm  
Posted by: Karil Wade

your challenge restrictions leave no room for instruction. pray for understanding through the Holy Spirit with these strong meat revelations! Hebrews 5: 13-14 (kjv) praise the Lord and his precious word!

Here was the challange, "Rebuke me without posting Bryan's videos and not cherry picking and using bible verses out of context."

 

My restrictions were as follows;

1)  Not to post a video that you did not make because that is not a debate, nor your own thought.

2)  Not to cherry pick bible verses, they must be used in proper context.

 

How is this not fair?

 

What guidelines would be fair in your eyes to debate a topic?  

 

Makes suggestions, I am open to debate and to change.

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March 15, 2019 12:42 pm  

Romans 1:28-29, debate is not convenient and therefore we should not be debating. Discussion is fine, but this should not become a debate. If this becomes a debate I will have to close this thread, so please let's keep it civil.

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Karil Wade
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March 15, 2019 1:20 pm  

the brethren have given you scriptures! would only suggest to study these verses and pray for understanding! no one is going to force you to change your mind, praying always for the body of Christ! all glory to God through Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour!


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Jeff Allen
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March 15, 2019 4:28 pm  

back to the start of Romans 10 1-4

1, ¶ Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved.
2, For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.
3, For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
4, For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.


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March 15, 2019 5:39 pm  

I see you mentioned the Sabbath day in your list. Let's see what the Sabbath day was like to a Jew under the law, if you insist on keeping it (despite ignoring it not being in the list of commandments in Romans 13:9):

1. The Sabbath is from Friday at 6PM to Saturday at 6PM on a Jewish Lunar calendar (our current calendar is solar and came from the Romans so you can't use that as sometimes the Sabbath would be on a different day).

It starts on Friday-Saturday for us (USA), because in the land where the commandment was given, it would be Saturday-Sunday at that time. (see Nehemiah 9:13-15 and also basic time zones). The time is 6PM to 6PM because in Genesis 1:5 we are told “And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.” Also, in Matthew 14:25 we are told there are 4 watches of the night. Knowing that there are 12 hours in a day we can know that each watch is 3 hours.

2. "But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:" Exodus 20:10

3. "Six days shall work be done, but on the seventh day there shall be to you an holy day, a sabbath of rest to the LORD: whosoever doeth work therein shall be put to death." Exodus 35:2 

Do you work on this supposed Sabbath day? If someone under the law back then was seen breaking the Sabbath by working, even once, he would have been put to death.

4. You can't light a stove/fire on the Sabbath as in Exodus 35:3 we see "Ye shall kindle no fire throughout your habitations upon the sabbath day."

We don't keep the Sabbath because it's not for us in the commandment list in Romans 13:9. This is all of the original 10 commandments that we are to observe in this dispensation:

“For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.” Romans 13:9

Now note that the original 10 commandments come back in the time of Jacob's trouble, after the catching away of the bride of Christ (saved people/"rapture"). Revelation 12:17 and Revelation 14:12.

You have to rightly divide the word of truth. “Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.” 2 Timothy 2:15

But to give you at least some credit about the Sabbath day for us living today, if you spiritualize the 7 days of creation to the 7000 years of history (2 Peter 3:8), the last day would be the last 1000 years, the millennial kingdom - so we do keep that sabbath day so to speak.

 


 

May I also point out that you question a word being incorrectly translated in Hebrews 9:4, or at least saying that that word means something else?

Yea, hath God said?

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