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ShannonJoy
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December 3, 2018 4:20 pm  

Please define & use those words in a contextural sentence of your choosing.

also study "usurping" "usurpingly" "usurper" "usurped" "usurpation"

Noah Webster's Dictionary 1828

Thank you for your time pondering this topic.

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December 3, 2018 6:12 pm  

Sister Just remember this is a King James bible believing website. 1Ti 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. Getting slightly concerned you may be in the wrong place/ or a different spirit. What are your intentions for being on here? 

Pro 22:10
¶ Cast out the scorner, and contention shall go out; yea, strife and reproach shall cease.

Pro 13:10
¶ Only by pride cometh contention: but with the well advised is wisdom.


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December 3, 2018 11:25 pm  

usurping, usurpingly, usurper, usurped, usurpation do not appear in the KJV

usurp only appears a single time; the reference Jeff gave.


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December 4, 2018 1:16 am  

I did a bit of pondering.

1Ti 3:2  A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach; 

1Ti 3:12  Let the deacons be the husbands of one wife, ruling their children and their own houses well. 

So bishop's and deacons can only be men.

Interestingly 'Pastor' (or some form of it) only appears in the KJV 9 times, 6 of those appear to be negative. 8 Old Testament references, the only New Testament mention is:

Eph_4:11  And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;

If you go by the so called 'law of first mention' as helping with the definition, it reveals Baal worship which is what the modern "Pastor's / Prophet's" are doing.

Jer_2:8  The priests said not, Where is the LORD? and they that handle the law knew me not: the pastors also transgressed against me, and the prophets prophesied by Baal, and walked after things that do not profit.

2Pe_3:2  That ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Saviour:

Prophets are generally considered to be Old Testament, there is the New Testament act of prophesying, prophesieth, etc... but the title of prophet is not used; as in "The prophet [name]" in the New Testament; And the Apostles were chosen.

2Ti_4:5  But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry.

Act_21:8  And the next day we that were of Paul's company departed, and came unto Caesarea: and we entered into the house of Philip the evangelist, which was one of the seven; and abode with him.

Act_8:5  Then Philip went down to the city of Samaria, and preached Christ unto them.
Act_8:40  But Philip was found at Azotus: and passing through he preached in all the cities, till he came to Caesarea.

Philip was the only one ever specifically called an evangelist, his activities seem pretty apparent.

Women can be teachers, of young women, seemingly in the family setting.

Titus 2:3  The aged women likewise, that they be in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things; 
Titus 2:4  That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children, 
Titus 2:5  To be discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed.

Some other instructional scriptures for women:

1Ti_2:11  Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
1Ti_2:12  But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

1Co 14:34  Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. 
1Co 14:35  And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

Aside from the whole there should be no modern 'church' buildings AT ALL, they certainly should not have a woman running them,
I don't believe women should be speaking up (over men) in an assembly of believers (the real church) or instructing (saved) men unless requested.

Evangelizing the lost (spreading the basic gospel) is another matter, assisting men in their activities, there are a lot of things a woman can do to serve the Lord, and the Body of Christ... seeking or obtaining a position of authority, religious or otherwise, is not one of them.

 

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December 4, 2018 2:06 am  

1 Timothy 2:13-14 

13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.                                                      

14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

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December 4, 2018 11:27 pm  

James 3:13Who is a wise man and endued with knowledge among you? let him shew out of a good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom. 14But if ye have bitter envying and strife in your hearts, glory not, and lie not against the truth.15This wisdom descendeth not from above, but is earthly, sensual, devilish.16For where envying and strife is, there isconfusion and every evil work. 17But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy.18And the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace of them that make peace.

 

 


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December 4, 2018 11:29 pm  

All i read is wisdom! Brothers amen! 


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December 6, 2018 10:59 pm  

I was seeking elaboration of a word used only once in the KJV.  For the manor in which it was used, it must be very important and that we are not to overlook the obvious.


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December 7, 2018 5:49 pm  

Webster's American Dictionary of the English Language, abridged, 1828 - Usurp

USURP', v.t. s as z. [L. usurpo.]
To seize and hold in possession by force or without right; as, to usurp a throne; to usurp the prerogatives of the crown; to usurp power. To usurp the right of a patron, is to oust or dispossess him.
Vice sometimes usurps the place of virtue.
[Usurp is not applied to common dispossession of private property.]

 


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December 7, 2018 7:06 pm  
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I did a bit of pondering.

1Ti 3:2  A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach; 

1Ti 3:12  Let the deacons be the husbands of one wife, ruling their children and their own houses well. 

So bishop's and deacons can only be men.

Interestingly 'Pastor' (or some form of it) only appears in the KJV 9 times, 6 of those appear to be negative. 8 Old Testament references, the only New Testament mention is:

Eph_4:11  And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;

If you go by the so called 'law of first mention' as helping with the definition, it reveals Baal worship which is what the modern "Pastor's / Prophet's" are doing.

Don't forget that pastor means shepherd! In that sense, Jesus is THE Pastor (Matt. 26:31) of the flock that God bought with His precious blood (Acts 20:28). Jesus' flock needs their Pastor for protection (Acts 20:29). Elders may be defined as pastors by comparing this definition of pastor with 1st Peter 5:1-4 (as well as another reference to the chief Shepherd in verse 4).

Jer_2:8  The priests said not, Where is the LORD? and they that handle the law knew me not: the pastors also transgressed against me, and the prophets prophesied by Baal, and walked after things that do not profit.

2Pe_3:2  That ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Saviour:

Prophets are generally considered to be Old Testament, there is the New Testament act of prophesying, prophesieth, etc... but the title of prophet is not used; as in "The prophet [name]" in the New Testament; And the Apostles were chosen.

Acts 21:10 mentions a New Testament prophet, and Paul gives instructions to men who think they are a prophet (1st Cor. 14:37). Again, Jesus was THE Prophet that Moses prophesied about (John 7:40; Acts 3:22-23; 7:37).

2Ti_4:5  But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry.

Act_21:8  And the next day we that were of Paul's company departed, and came unto Caesarea: and we entered into the house of Philip the evangelist, which was one of the seven; and abode with him.

Act_8:5  Then Philip went down to the city of Samaria, and preached Christ unto them.
Act_8:40  But Philip was found at Azotus: and passing through he preached in all the cities, till he came to Caesarea.

Philip was the only one ever specifically called an evangelist, his activities seem pretty apparent.

Interesting, I have never looked at the references to "evangelist" together. Philip's ministry definitely defines evangelism!

Women can be teachers, of young women, seemingly in the family setting.

Titus 2:3  The aged women likewise, that they be in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things; 
Titus 2:4  That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children, 
Titus 2:5  To be discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed.

Some other instructional scriptures for women:

1Ti_2:11  Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
1Ti_2:12  But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

1Co 14:34  Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. 
1Co 14:35  And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

Aside from the whole there should be no modern 'church' buildings AT ALL, they certainly should not have a woman running them,
I don't believe women should be speaking up (over men) in an assembly of believers (the real church) or instructing (saved) men unless requested.

Evangelizing the lost (spreading the basic gospel) is another matter, assisting men in their activities, there are a lot of things a woman can do to serve the Lord, and the Body of Christ... seeking or obtaining a position of authority, religious or otherwise, is not one of them.

Amen, good points brother.


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December 7, 2018 8:31 pm  

Yeah I totally missed Acts 21:10 and 1 Cor 14:37, But I was thinking of the difference.

Acts 21:10 seems more like the OT prophets, just a man coming up and telling you how it's going to be (specific near future events), correct me if I'm wrong but our version of prophecy is expounding on what God has said (Written) e.g. the events of Revelation etc... Rather than someone having dreams and visions or hearing a specific (word for word) messages from God to relay.

Checking it out and noticed Act 21:9  And the same man had four daughters, virgins, which did prophesy.

However most cults, my experience was with charismatic's, have their own "Prophets" that tend to act like OT Prophets, just that they are always* wrong, and therefore not "Prophets" lol. But they usually justify the action by taking "Prophet" related scripture(s) out of context, but what's new.

And I, of course, totally agree with Jesus as THE Pastor, Shepherd , Prophet; it seemed so obvious that it should go without saying, yet I'm glad you did.

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December 8, 2018 6:03 pm  

I think that the gift of prophecy is put to use today, as you said, by preaching on the unfulfilled prophecies of the scriptures. But, I cannot think of any passage that seems to say that prophecy in the OT sense of the word is no longer possible... So I cannot say for sure.

You're right, charismatics are definitely not prophets  🤣 They always seem to ignore their failed prophecies... But even so, prophecies that do come to pass still need to be discerned by the word of God (Deut. 13:1-5). 


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