Rick Warren Believes In The Trinity. Do You?

The doctrine of the “trinity” is what Rome is going to use to unite all people under their authority, so that the world can worship the coming Beast, False Prophet, and Dragon TRINITY!

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Alexander Brent Hartley
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As I see Exodus 20:4 reads Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image… Don’t make it period, then it won’t be there to be bowed down to. Just a thought. It’s ok because I consider myself a sinner so no matter what I do nor how much I try I will always fall short…

Alexander Brent Hartley
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Where do or did images, including graven images, come from but someone’s head? I don’t understand. The catholic idea of what Jesus looks like came from someone’s head, images in their head. I don’t understand.

Denise Norris
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Mathew Landau,First of all I consider myself a sinner so it doesn’t matter what I do and know much I try I will always fall short. I know this and the Lord knows this. I drew the compasses becouse it’s an image from my head. I try to explain some knowledge I got. Exodus 20: 4-6 does not include an image from someone’s head. God made man with a compass for the fizycal world and a compass for the spiritual world so we can safely judge ourself in our day to day life and readjust accordingly. Apostol Paul said, if we judge ourselves we won’t be judged. God knows we can not be perfect, Paul knows we can’t be perfect, that’s why salvation is by grace. So a truly saved person has faith in Jesus and it shows that by getting bussy to save others too. A fake saved person will say “I have  faith in Jesus ” but in reality they will keep praying for salvation all their life ( Catholics) becouse they are hypocrites. If they have faith in Jesus why they doubt it at the same time, isn’t this hypocracy? Now looking at my drawing can you see the difference between the two? The true believer is all in sinc in fizycal and spiritual while the fake believer is out of sinc and displays hypocritical behaviour, just like Jesus was talking about. Read what the verses in the bible says, the ones that start with the wording ” Ye hypocrites…….” My bible has them written with red letters. I am not very good for teaching that’s why I put the knowledge out there hoping someone will use it with the right wording it can be better explained. The Lord is using me for other things and I am extremely limited when it comes to describe something in words. Some things I know it can’t be explained anyway maybe this knowledge is one of those things. I truly understand when people don’t understand.

Matthew Landau
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What in the world are you talking about? Where in the KJV does it say anything about God making man with a compass? Genesis 2:7 is the account of the creation of man “And the LORD God formed man of the dust3 of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.” Nowhere in there is there any mention of a compass.

Denise Norris
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My dear brother Mathew, when the Lord is going to open up your understanding you’ll see it in KJV bible. There is more knowledge in the bible than all of us combined could possibly understand now. When the whole body of Christ will be gathered together than we all are going to understand so much better. I do not dispute anything I just serve the Lord with what the Lord gave me with all my heart and all my mind. How can the nose understand sight, how can the eyes understand hearing, how can the ears understand taste? We are all different for different purposes. This is also in the bible.

Matthew Landau
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Denise you are using philosophy to try and explain away a serious issue here.The bible says in Exodus 20:4-64, Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: 5, Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me; 6, And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.Four separate points are made in verse four alone, these are denoted by the use of the comma. It says not to make any graven image (COMMA) OR ANY LIKENESS of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. Those commas are very important and the denote a pause in the line of dialogue. Those are four separate commands in verse four if one wants to get right down to brass tacks.First the commandment against graven images is given, then this topic is expanded upon to include the other things. The verse is not saying that these things mentioned after the “graven images” portion are graven images and thus idols, they are additions and meant to be kept as unique and distinct from the first clause found in the “graven image” portion. What that means is that you shall not make a graven image, BUT, you shall also not make any image of any likeness of anything that is in heaven above……..In the “excatholics trinity” thread you drew a copy of the catholic church’s representation of what is in heaven above. So in effect you violated that commandment by doing so. It does not matter if the drawing represents something fictitious or not. The understanding behind it is what matters and it is understood by many to be representative of the Godhead or as they wrongly define as the “trinity”. I also have a question, where in the world did you get that nonsense about “body compass, soul compass, spirit compass” and “the Father compass, the Son compass, the Holy Spirit compass”? None of that appears anywhere in scripture.

Denise Norris
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Michal A Daruna Now I understand your question. Here is the difference between the two. There is one thing to draw the idea how a person looks like and another thing is to draw the portrait of a certain person. You can draw the idea how a dog looks like or you can draw the exact picture of a certain dog. To draw the exact picture of Jesus is idolatry. To draw the idea how a man looks like is not idolatry and if Jesus and so many other man look similar to that image still doesn’t qualify it as idolatry.In ExCatholics on trinity forum I drew a general idea how things work in general not a specific portrait of someone. In order to explain a principle you can draw an image and is not idolatry but to bow down to that image and worship it it is idolatry. You can draw a marine safety vest to explain the flotation principle and safety while operating a boat but if you bow down to the image and worship it then it becomes idolatry becouse now you worship that particular image . And if you bow down every time you see a marine safety vest then you commit idolatry again becouse you attribute godly power to an object not to God. What catholics do is idolatry becouse they think that certain statues of Mary can heal people, they venerate them as holy objects. If you destroy one of those statues to them you destroyed the holy mother of Jesus, not just an object, now that proves their idolatry.  Otherwise it would be no big deal write? There are many statues of women , why that particular one is so important to them is becouse it’s an idol.Idolatry is a fine line, some people commit idolatry they are not even aware of it. Rock stars are idols, movie stars are idols and they are worship as such, just look at the behaviour of some people and see their fruit. New cellphones are an idol to some people, see their fruit displayed behaviour then you know it. Just analize people’s fruit ( displayed behaviour) when dealing with a certain person or object then you know if it’s idolatry or not. I do not bow down to what I drew nor do I uphold it as having magical holy powers capable of miricals, then how is what I did idolatry? Therefore what I did is no more than my drawing as I see it in my own understanding and nothing more. If someone will turn it into an idol it is not under my control, I advise people not to, but that’s all I can do. Everyone is accountable for his own actions. God bless you all.

Matthew Landau
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“what’s in their heart”?Jeremiah 17:9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?

ShannonJoy
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no.

Joshua S
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Bryan, in your documentary I think you’re doing on the Trinity Vs Godhead issue, please make it a big point in the video to NOT draw the Godhead or have it graven by art or man’s device when you’re doing the video: perhaps show the trinity and how they draw and engrave it and then show “Godhead” and below it, blank, nothing, and quote: Acts 17:29 “Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man’s device. “I know in a previous video on this subject (the thumbnail) you showed 3 outlines of a man, one a line, one a dotted line and one an odd line: that’s “graven by art and man’s device.”

Denise Norris
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That’s right Joshua, that’s idolatry Exodus 20:4-5 gives the definition of idolatry as God see it not as man interprets to be.

Michael A Daruna
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Denise…didn’t you just do that in excatholics trinity thread?Or am i missing something?

Denise Norris
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Michael, I posted information in many places, I always crisscross the information with others and that is how truth comes to the surface. Sometimes people honestly strongly believe in God and yet they are found in error becouse of the circumstances. Sometimes it’s just the angle that can trigger one of those people to readjust to the truth. The key is , what’s in their heart , that can trigger the correction in their belief. God has mercy to someone with a clean heart.

Michael A Daruna
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That’s not replying to my question. Joshua made a comment, and you agreed…but it doesn’t make sense if you drew what you just rebuked.

Denise Norris
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Is 3 persons equal a trinity god? Just gather 3 good persons and you can have your own trinity god.

Denise Norris
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God made Adam. Adam is a person. Trinity is 3 persons. Is trinity a made god?